April 18, 2017

Europa League 2016/17 - Referee Appointments for Quarterfinals (II)

These officials will control the second legs of EL Quarterfinals, to be played on 20/04/17. 
20 April 2017, 21:05 CET
Vodafone Arena, Istanbul (TUR)
Beşiktaş JK - Olympique Lyonnais 
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor Đurđević (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Nenad Đokić (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Danilo Grujić (SRB)
Fourth Official: Nemanja Petrović (SRB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Campbell Ogilvie (SCO)

20 April 2017, 21:05 CET
Veltins Arena, Gelsenkirchen (GER)
FC Schalke 04 - AFC Ajax 
Referee: Ovidiu Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Şovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Radu Marian Petrescu (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Constantin Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Fourth Official: Radu Adrian Ştefan Ghinguleac (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mike Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Geir Þorsteinsson (ISL)

20 April 2017, 21:05 CET
Luminus Arena, Genk (BEL)
KRC Genk - RC Celta de Vigo 
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David McGeachie (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Robert Madden (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: John Beaton (SCO)
Fourth Official: Alan Mulvanny (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

20 April 2017, 21:05 CET
Old Trafford, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester United FC - RSC Anderlecht 
Referee: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Zdravko Jokić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Harry Been (NED)

58 Comments:

  1. Important observers for Milorad Mazic and William Collum!! Vassaras observing Mazic is understandable but what does Uilenberg observing Collum indicate??

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    1. Maybe they don't know what to do with Collum

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    2. Right. For Mažić it is understandable. He is at moment candidate for both CL and EL finals. More likely EL final, but surely a real alternative to Skomina for CL.
      About Collum, I share your question. Very interesting that he is observed by a committee member. Maybe CL semifinal? It would be a very remarkable achievement for the Scottish, in case. However, more likely I think that he could just get another game, still in EL, a semifinal. For me, no more than that.

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    3. Collum imo would deserve an EL Semifinal for his career where in 2013 he would have got an inset but the fixtures didn't fit for him, and didn't get the call in 2015 when he was one of bigger names. He was okay in Leverkusen but has been good these season I think on the whole.

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  2. Seeing Alberto Undiano is indeed a surprise for me.
    Committee members for Mažić and Collum. For Mažić, it could be a final test for CL/EL final (such as for Skomina with Dallas). But what can we see with Collum and Uilenberg?
    Expected match for Hategan.

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  3. Where can you see who wins the prediction prize?

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  4. http://worldreferee.com/ :D

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    1. Wow... worldreferee.com is back 😎

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  5. Expected appointment for Mazic - he became Collina's "man" for hot matches in Turkey. It is too early to predict whether he has chances for CL semifinal or EL final - it depends on his performance in Istanbul (personally i don't expect him in CL final). A priori, this match looks like much tougher one than EL final for example, due to very emotional Turkish fans, which will make enormous pressure on guests and referees, of course, especially after riots in Lyon. If Mazic maintains the level of his performances in Turkey so far, he is very close to get EL final.
    OT The "Eternal" Derby in Serbia has just been finished, and I have to report that Mazic's AAR1 Danilo Grujic surprisingly did really excellent job. Probably this was the best match he ever whistled.

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    1. Congratulations to Grujić! Having attended U17 himself maybe he has chances in UEFA

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    2. He has been removed by FIFA list, indeed now he joins Mazic's team as NO FIFA AAR.

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    3. He was removed because he had some conflicts with old chief for referee appoinments.. He will get on FIFA list again since he is in my opinion 2nd best referee in the JSL.. If you ask me by watching JSL games i have to say that Danilo Grujic didnt deserve to lose his FIFA, in my opinion Nenad Djokic deserve not to be on FIFA list coz of his poor refereeing..

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    4. Have to agree. Nenad Djokic as AAR is doing solid work (some minor mistakes, such as missed corner kicks, but nothing significant, I think) and he is much better than Filipovic was (Mazic and whole team suffered several times due to Filipovic's mistakes, so he needed to be replaced). But, as a referee in the middle, Djokic showed many weaknesses and is constantly making significant errors (e.g. last week he missed two penalties and then gave one which probably wasn't - there was contact by the hand/elbow, but IMO not enough for PK). And similar things are happening to him. Grujic is much better as main ref, but his career suffered after he gave penalty for Red Star in derby match against Partizan somewhere in 2011 (tough decision, hand was close to the leg, hard to detect that ball hit the leg and not the hand). Significant mistake in derby match is unforgivable in Serbia. After that match, Mazic took responsibility and oversee I think 10 or 11 consecutive derbies. In Serbia there are several young refs that have potential to reach Mazic one day, but who knows how they are going to develop...

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  6. What about the choice of Hategan for the colour of his shirt? Change af halftime or the least worse option out of the black, blue, yellow options?

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    1. I was also surprised by blue and think, black would be the better option. But I have the impression, it is not really a problem (at least from the TV perspective) and a change is not necessary.

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  7. Collision between a Lyon forward and the Besiktas goalie at 22'. To me (with replays available), seems the goalie punched the ball legally, and that no foul was the correct decision.

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    1. Always a problematic situation...

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  8. I think that the second YC issued by Mazic was very soft.
    Excellent onside by AR2 when Lyon scored.

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    1. Lots of rough tackles, hands, shoves, etc. It is/will be a challenge for Mazic to identify what really is reckless, and be consistent enough.

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    2. 41' Very good advantage and ,second after that, fantastic no ofside decision by AR2 Đurđević.

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    3. I agree with both of you.

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    4. Maybe Mazic show YC for SPO?

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    5. The same rough and cynical way of play like in the first game. Very good, strong Mazic in overall. Different style than Mateu Lahoz' one, more serious, less communicative.

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  9. Undiano Malenco so far so good. 39min.

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  10. I think that match in Manchester is last one for observer Zdravko Jokić 71y.from Serbia. He will be replaced by Igor Radojčić who is secretary of Serbian ref.commitee and former Mažić's AR.
    Jokić was for 20 years observer,last 10 4 star uefa observer

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  11. Mallenco still good. Only wrong advantage in 69min. for Anderlecht in their penalty area resulting corner kick for Man.U.

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    1. I think significant mistake from Mallenco's AR2 in 86'. No offside in goal scoring opportunity. Very close situation, though.

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    2. Agree. Very very close.

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    3. Tbh, the advantage decision in 69' is quite unbelievable. How an elite group referee can have the idea to decide on 'advantage' inside the own penalty area?! I would not believe if I have not seen. But well, if this was the only problem tonight...

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  12. 2nd YC by Hategan. At first glance, it seems to be okay, but what for actually? It wasn't reckless, the only possibility would be SPA. But was it really a promising attack? Position (near to the sideline) and distance to the goal say rather 'no' imo.

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  13. 90' Hategan with an orange coloured YC ;) For me correct - good video example.

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    1. Solid performance from Hategan until now. For me, all decisions were acceptable.
      The tackle in 90' was close to SFP, but I think that YC isn't a mistake though. But I would accept a RC too, there are arguments for both.
      However, I like Hategans style somehow, quite calm in a heated atmosphere.

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  14. So, we have 3 matches in overtime. Wow. Only 1 minute of stoppage time in Istanbul - very rare to see, but justified.

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  15. 97min. Second YC in match Man-Ander.
    Full control by Mallenco

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  16. 101min. Disallowed goal for MAN.
    Fellaini pushed AND. player. Correct decision.

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  17. 104' Another good video example by Hategan. With some delay, he issues an indirect free-kick for dangerous play. According to my opinion it should be a direct one, even if there is no contact. Hope somebody will make a video.

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  18. 119min. Another disallowed goal for MAN. Good offside decision by AR2

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  19. Regarding CL final, after today's game, I would prefer Milorad Mazic way above Damir Skomina. Slovene tends to make MANY minor mistakes in every game, his fitness is not great and sometimes lack of alertness or bad positioning leads to basic errors in his performances. Mazic is more mature and firm in my opinion.

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  20. Minute 115' in Mazic game: there was a penalty appeal by Lyon. TV broadcaster didn't show replay. My feeling live was that a penalty could have been issued. I noticed that Mazic was about to whistle, but he suddenly changed idea. Perhaps he was right, perhaps it was a sought conctact and nothing more. However, let me say, 120 minutes of excellent football. Mazic contributed to this show with a very good refereeing. He issued only a few cards, some other ones could have been given, but for me, first of all, the most important thing in such game is control and acceptance by players. He definitely got them. If this was a very important exam, I think the Serbian passed it. Very good performance by AR2 - a bit less AR1 but still expected level in my opinion. Well done.

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    1. I share your words, Chefren, I enjoyed so much in this interesting match and excellent refereeing.
      Now, I really like Mažić's little talk with every single PK taker.

      Congratulations to my compratriots! I'm impressed!
      Bravo Srbi!

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    2. Btw If my memory serves me right, Mažić was good in every single EL match he had in the past.

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    3. What a penalty shootout! 12 incredible penalties, no chance to GKs whatsoever, and then 3 misses in a row. Well, Serbian and Croatian missed penalties for Besiktas and they got out of the competition. Very good whole match, including penalties.

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  21. I think that Mazic has just bought his ticket for EL final, or at least CL semifinal. As always in Turkey, excellent performance from him and his whole team (especially AR2). Always acceptable calls, almost without any protests from the players and from the crowd (!!), he was respected from all the players, which wasn't something that could be expected. Very calm, no hectic reactions. Even English commentators (Mazic hadn't have some repution in England some years ago) said several times "Brilliant performance", and in first half one of them said that he can't imagine harder match for the referee at the moment.
    Congrats to Serbian crew for tonight.

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  22. SCH-AJAX SUMMARY:
    An interesting game including an interesting piece of refereeing. Generally, I really liked the way Hategan handled this game. Excellent approach (calm but consequent), strong body language, nearly faultless application of the LOTG.

    2 controversial decisions:
    * 80' 2nd YC. For me very (!) controversial but with some goodwill still acceptable. Keeping in mind his first YC was a little bit fussy too (persistent infr., 72') it was summarized a harsh sent-off.
    * 90' Very orange YC - imo correct or at least acceptable to judge it as still reckless.

    Some points for discussion and improvement:
    * 109' missing YC? (reckless? foul) -> comparing with 72' + 80' not really uniform (even if different offences, the disciplinary control should show a line: Fussy or generous?)
    * 104' indirect FK instead of direct FK
    * Some details: Sometimes problems with positioning (but never with a negative effect), sometimes room for improvement in decision-selling (e.g. 72'), possible more offensive approach against preventing the FK execution by Ajax (= delaying the restart of the game), no additional time after 120' (comprehensible but of course actually not correct).

    Finally, I'm quite sure Hategan has the potential for more. For tonight, I would evaluate his performance with 8.2!

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    1. Btw, I watched the game in TV, so all my views emerged in my living room, lying on the couch... ;-) Niclas was in the stadium, I'm excited to read his opinion soon!

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    2. Thanks, Gitzlo. Indeed in the stadium you have another perspective on the officials than in front of the TV, but I agree with most of your points.

      What I find very positive - also in comparison to other referees at that level - was Hategan's consistent reaction to dissent / protests. There were 2-3 very stern verbal warnings for that against Burgstaller and an Ajax player (after offside decisions) for this reason - and finally a yellow card.

      Apart from that, I think he could have done more against time wasting from both sides (and as S04 also wasted time, I think it was fully OK not to give too much added time - they were beaten in 120' anyway).

      The biggest point for consideration is whether it was really necessary to whistle 54 (!!) fouls. His line was very pedantic in aeriel duels, most contacts were whistled as soon as someone went to ground. He was consistent in it, but 3-4 whistles looked like phantom ones in real time. But I trust those who had video footage and judged his decisions as "faultless", it was rather an overall impression. At the same time, his pedantic line in foul selection did not suit to his rather lenient line in taking hard tackles out of the game (e.g. 53'). He seemed to care more about dissent than reckless play - also this was rather a general impression related to his refereeing style.

      In terms of personality, I think he could vary his gestures a bit (he used the always same "stop it" gestures), the interaction with players looked offensive and serious at times, not that player-friendly - but this approach worked out and has its justification.

      In general, he managed to whistle this game in a very balanced way, was predictable and alert. His fitness and overall appearance underlined his authority, he looked athletic, fit, but not "overfussy" in terms of movement.

      In three moments, cooperation did not work that smoothly (a very delayed corner award for Ajax, AAR1 involved, 1 AR2 throw signal was picked up very late by Hategan, strange that AR2 did not raise his flag for the foul in 90'.

      In terms of the latter, I think a yellow card is still ok. The 2nd yellow card appeared harsh live and also appeared harsh in the live TV perspective. But the replays clearly show that Veltman deliberately stepped into the running path and thus was guilty of SPA - justified sending-off for me.

      Overall, I would give 8.3-8.4.

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    3. And finally the refereeing highlights of Schalke'04 - Ajax Amsterdam (Ovidiu Hategan)

      https://vimeo.com/album/4547017

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    4. Nice clips, DutchRef, thanks. Without having watched the game, one can analyze the style and the approach by Hategan.
      Good call by AR2 in first half, disallowing the goal.
      First YC to Veltman: I didn't watch the previous fouls but Hategan looks really convinced about the decision. The player seems to be aware as well.
      Second YC: even though it is not a promising attack, I find reasonable the choice to issue YC, because this was a tactical foul. The player from Ajax had the only intent to stop the opponent without any interest in the ball. It is something similar to holding. At the same time perhaps another referee would have whistled without card, however absolutely supportable decision.
      YC in 86'm for me wrong, a clear dive by Dutch player, he had to be punished for that. No foul.
      90': mandatory (at least) YC, more than reckless and late tackle with both legs, but at the end criteria for SFP are not 100% fulfilled, so supportable choice by Hategan. Good body language, he showed alertness.
      90'+4: without a clear replay, this could even look like a deliberate elbow, however in doubt of course one must back AR1 and referee.
      104': if the contact existed and the tackle was not only on the ball, for me reckless borderline to SFP, however no more than YC.
      109': missing YC, this was clearly a reckless challenge.
      116': correct decision.
      Well, based on these clips, in my opinion the performance can be assessed close to expected level, I would say 8.2 if one wants to be harsh, but more 8.3.

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    5. Thank you for the videos. All in all I still agree with my awareness during the match: 2nd YC (80') probably acceptable but not in line with the lenience in 104' and 109' - for me both are missing mandatory YC. Even if he does not issue a YC in 104', it should be a DF instead of an IDF (dangerous play?! not at all...) I disagree with you, Chefren, regarding the YC in 86', for me it was a foul and following a caution. I don't want to be harsh, anyway my whole impression of his performance and especially this 2-3 mistakes would lead to a 8.2!

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  23. Happy to hear that. I want to see my friends in second UEFA final.

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  24. Better late than never, I always say, so those are refereeing highlights from the first leg of Lyon - Besiktas (Mateu Lahoz):

    Two compilations:
    - assistant referees' calls (https://streamable.com/80t3c)
    - Mateu Lahoz' unique way of managing players (https://streamable.com/jfxu6)

    From offside calls, I would especially like to know your opinion on this incident:
    https://streamable.com/nuzui
    Deliberate play (no offside) or deflection (correct call and great teamwork)?

    Two reckless borderline to SFP incidents. Was YC enough in both of them?
    https://streamable.com/wpsbm
    https://streamable.com/a05vs

    Well detected dive!
    https://streamable.com/jhaon

    But no whistle here?
    https://streamable.com/6d3sc

    And GK's intervention (collision vs foul)
    https://streamable.com/y76aq


    Mazic' game will follow later today!

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    1. Thank you.
      About the incident in 61': in my opinion this is a deflection and not a deliberate play. Excellent teamwork Referee - AR2. Offisde must be punished.
      One must not be deceived by the movement of the leg, this would mean a deliberate intention to play the ball, yes, but it is not enough. The deliberate play must be absolutely clear. Despite of his attempt, defender is just hit by ball and he doesn't manage to play it. So, the result is a deflection.
      About the fouls in 19' and 79', both are very close to SFP, but YC can be still supportable.
      Well spotted simulation!

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  25. Refereeing highlights of Genk - Celta de Vigo (William Collum)

    https://vimeo.com/album/4545431

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    1. Thank you.
      YC for SPA at the beginning of the game could have been issued. It would have been fully accepted, I think.
      The first penalty appeal is a very tricky situation: I can understand why Collum played on: the sensation is that the contact, even though existed, was not that significant for the attacker, who was already falling by himself, having lost his balance. In addition, the fact that the player immediately stood up from the ground, is another hint that contact was not so much significant. For me, not a black or white decision, and Collum can be backed.
      For some aspects, the incident at the edge of penalty area in 17' can look similar. No foul still supportable, I think.
      Both handballs, according to UEFA guidelines, in my opinion should be punishable. The first one (free kick) absolutely clearer than the second. Arm was open and the (expected) ball was deflected.
      About the situation in penalty area we can say that the ball was more unexpected, if not totally unexpected, and the distance quite short. But in my opinion arm's position plays again in favor of a penalty. Defender took a risk. Since it was a header on goal, penalty and YC would have been justified in my opinion.
      About second half cases, I agree with all the decisions taken by Collum. No card for impeding keeper because it wasn't the potential beginning of a fast counterattack or SPA, so "normal foul". Correct YC issued after the mass confrontation. The player pushing the opponent was immediately booked, then a card followed for the opponent, who had tried to waste time. I must say, the pushing is very borderline to RC but in my opinion still OK.
      YC in 90' is OK for me, reckless challenge, as well as the one in 90'+3 for delaying the restart of the play.
      I think that the handballs are hot topic for Collum in this game.

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    2. The first case of handling should have been punished, but with the angle of view, I can understand why it wasn't.

      For the second, the defender is jumping, and arms naturally go out for some balance. The ball changes direction with no distance, no time to react, so I have no issue with that not being punished.

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