April 9, 2017

Szymon Marciniak in control of Juventus - Barcelona, Daniele Orsato to referee Dortmund - Monaco

Poland's Elite Referee Szymon Marciniak has been chosen to take charge of the Champions League Quarterfinal 1st leg between Juventus Turin and FC Barcelona. Meanwhile, Italian Daniele Orsato will make his Quarterfinal bow overseeing the duel between Borussia Dortmund and AS Monaco.




11 April 2017, 20:45 CET (Juventus Stadium, Turin)
Juventus Turin - FC Barcelona
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Musial (POL)
Fourth Official: Radoslaw Siejka (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hans Reijgwart (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Jacob Erel (ISR)

11 April 2017, 20:45 CET (Signal Iduna Park)
Borussia Dortmund - AS Monaco
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee: Mauro Tonolini (ITA)
Assistant Referee: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Fourth Official: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Horst Brummeier (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: David Griffiths (WAL)

135 Comments:

  1. Chefren's prediction has totally come true :D I never saw this coming :O

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    1. Studying carefully domestic appointments can be very helpful :)
      This is the confirmation that Vassaras liked Orsato's performance and perhaps the mark was very good! I'm very pleased that he is making now his breakthrough at high level.
      About Marciniak: I was convinced that he could have handled all games except Juventus - Barcelona, but committee had a different idea. :)
      So, again: no problem to find the same team in first leg and on the other side Marciniak had a quite challenging game in Lyon - Juventus (group stage), with the Italian team making some complaints. But that was the only controversial game of Marciniak at UEFA level in recent seasons!
      For Wednseday I think we can expect Kassai and Eriksson. Kassai in Bayern - Real.

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    2. If Orsato has been given an appointment, I won't be surprised if Mateu Lahoz is drafted in for the 2nd leg of Dortmund v Monaco!!

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    3. @Soham: I fully agree. Mateu Lahoz was too good to be ignored for further CL games, but Monaco-BVB is obviously the only option as the semifinals will most likely be contested by 3 Spanish teams.

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    4. @Chefren and @Niclas : What games will you predict for Kuipers, Mazic, Kassai and Çakir in the QF stage?? Eriksson is very likely for Atlético v Leicester in my opinion!!

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    5. I initially predicted Clattenburg for Bayern-Real, and am still confident it is possible. As I don't think Brych will get a semifinal but performed too well to not get any further game, I think he would suit to Atlético and Luciano Luci.

      Therefore, I guess Kuipers, Mateu Lahoz, Cakir and Kassai will get a return game. Skomina should be kept for the final IMO.

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    6. My ideas are: Eriksson and Brych for Atletico - Leicester, Kuipers and Kassai for Real Madrid - Bayern, Mazic / Skomina for Barcellona - Juventus and, yes, why not, Mateu Lahoz for Monaco - Borussia.

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    7. I would swap Brych and Mazic and put Brych in Camp Nou and Mazic at Leicester!! Kuipers and Kassai would be great for Bayern v Real 2 legs!! And Mateu Lahoz would totally deserve a QF appointment after very good R16 performance!!

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    8. Difficult, in my opinion, to see another German referee in Barcelona after Aytekin.

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    9. Yes you're right that thing Completely went out of my mind... Çakir might also be a great choice for Barcelona v Juventus!!

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  2. No Skomina in Champions or Europa league this week. He is in charge of 2nd leg in Cup.

    12.04.2017, 17.15
    Maribor : Olimpija Ljubljana
    Ljudski vrt, Maribor POKAL 16/17
    Referee: Skomina Damir
    Assistant referee: Vukan Robert
    Assistant referee: Vidali Manuel
    Fourth official: Bukovec Miran
    Additional assistant referee 1: Perić Dragoslav
    Additional assistant referee 2: Ponis Roberto

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    1. What happened to Jure Praprotnik?? He didn't take part even in the match that Skomina did in the Middle East!!

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    2. Nothing happened. He is from Ljubljana like one of the teams.

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  3. Marciniak's appointment was expected and again he is in charge of a top-clash (after all: two years ago Juventus-Barcelona was the CL final). Really impressive development! Seeing him again appointed with Barcelona shows that there is also room for Mateu Lahoz being appointed next week with Monaco, after his excellent display in Manchester.

    I am honest and I am surprised to see Orsato in CL, I expected him in EL. Good appointment for him. But some other questions come to my mind:
    - Is there any chance to see Rocchi in a CL 2nd leg match (and then Rizzoli is going to be kept for the semifinals)?
    - What about Hategan, Turpin and Karasev who overall performed well in their CL R16 matches?

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    1. I could well imagine that Rizzoli gets a farewell game in the semifinals with Rocchi being appointed for Stockholm final.

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    2. Do you think Rizzoli would be deserving of a semifinal based on his not too great season so far?? 🤔

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    3. Young Boys - Gladbach, 8.2
      Celtic - ManCity, 8.5
      Leicester - København, 8.3
      Tottenham - CSKA, 8.4
      Benfica - Dortmund, 7.9(4)
      And overall good WCQs

      To me that's no bad season, and his career would deserve to finish on a high- totally agree with Niclas.

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    4. Don't you think there are at least 4 other referees who had better season than Rizzoli?? So strictly based on performance principle they should be getting the SF ahead of Rizzoli... Rizzoli would deserve an EL SF in my opinion more than a CL SF this season!!

      Can you please share the marks of Björn Kuipers in his games this European season?? @Mikael

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    5. Trust me I am no UEFA insider- but these would be my educated guesses

      Porto - Roma, 8.5
      ManCity - Gladbach, 8.4
      Juventus - Lyon, 8.4
      Monaco - Tottenham, 7.9(4)
      Schalke - Gladbach, 8.1 (at best)

      UEFA won't be thaaaat worried by SCH-GLA, and he's shown throughout good performances, the 7.9 in Monaco just a lack of willing to take an unpopular decision, so I agree I think Kuipers has had the better season as of now and I think he'll get the call for a big Quarterfinal. I partly agree on Rizzoli- we can discuss in a couple of weeks :-).

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    6. What was the mistake in Monaco v Tottenham?? 🤔

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    7. https://streamable.com/rq4b

      Two correctly assigned penalties but ^^ is a clear RC:VC, however I don't think this will really affect Kuipers in any (big) way at all regarding appointments.

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    8. God knows how they might have assessed it but to me it seems accidental!! Maybe a YC would've been ok?

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    9. God knows how they might have assessed it but to me it seems accidental!! Maybe a YC would've been ok?

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  4. OT:Some sources are reporting that Gil Manzano is appointed for El Clasico...
    Can that possibly be true?!?!?!

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    1. Practically speaking, after yesterday's game it's really unlikely that Gil Manzano gets another Barcelona game a week later... Some sources were also reporting Alejandro Jose Hernandez Hernandez as referee for the El Classico... I think we should be waiting for an official announcement before making any speculations or assumptions!!

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    2. I remember that they can't have arbitrated any game of FC Barcelona or Real Madrid CF in so many weeks, so I suspect that annuals the candidature of Gil Manzano. Fernàndez Borbalan would be my tip

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    3. Trouble is a MARCA reported invented some fake news about Gil Manzano refereeing El Clásico (http://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/2017/03/25/58d6ba5a468aeb70198b4646.html). MARCA is, I think, the most read football newspaper in Spain, and of course many people believed that.

      El Clásico is usually handled by a FIFA referee who has not had nor Real Madrid nor Barça in the month previous to the match (more or less). With those rules, Gil Manzano (had Barça yesteday), Martínez Munuera (will have Barcelona next week against Real Sociedad), Fernández Borbalán (will have Real Madrid next week against Sporting de Gijón), Sánchez Martínez (had Real Madrid against Alavés a week ago), Clos Gómez (had Barcelona against Sevilla), Estrada Fernández (is from Catalonia) and Del Cerro Grande (is from Madrid) are ruled out. That leaves us with Hernández Hernández, Mateu Lahoz and Undiano Mallenco. Of those, Mateu had trouble in the last match he had, which was Real Madrid-Betis when he failed to send Keylor Navas off. Undiano is not in a good shape this season, IMO. Hernández Hernández failed to concede a goal for Barcelona which was clearly inside the goal and to give a penalty in the same situation when Barcelona draw against Betis some weeks ago, and also had a controversial performance in the last Clásico he had last year. In addition, he has already handled Barcelona twice in this leg.

      However, some media (which has proved to be more reliable than MARCA) has already stated that it will be Hernández Hernández, and as he has not been appointed in the last few weeks, I believe that will be the name.

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  5. OT :
    Viktor Kassai is not appointed on this week because his regular AAR 2 (Adam Farkas) appointed as a referee in Hungarian Division II. on Wednesday.

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    1. And Kassai appointed in Hungarian Division I too.

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    2. Thank you. So maybe Eriksson in Madrid and Kuipers in Munich.

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    3. If Kuipers gets Bayern v Real that will be a really big appointment for him!!

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  6. Explosion in front of Borussia bus as Thomas Tuchel's side travel to Signal Iduna Park... The game could be delayed or even postponed...

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    1. It's postponed to tomorrow, 18:45 CET

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  7. Game postponed. Match will be played tomorrow at 18h45. Shame on these stupid people...

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  8. So far, full control on the game by Marciniak. An excellent onside by AR2 in 21', leading to an obvious goal scoring opportunity for Barça.

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  9. 30': crucial offside call by AR2. Very well done.

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    1. Agree Chefren. World class decision by Listkiewicz! Well done !

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  10. Again, very good Marciniak. Full control, well handled Dani Alves' persistent infringing the LoTG, excellent reading of foul play, good advantages, consistent and neutral. One negative: keeping eyes closed to Messi's dissent and mobbing at the beginning.

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    1. I noticed another possible point for improvement: in occasion of the corner kick before half time, Marciniak was looking in penalty area without having the visual control of the ball. This should be avoided when the kicker is on the other side than AR and FO, in my opinion. An infringement could have been missed, as well as a different execution of the corner could have surprised the Polish. I think Marciniak could have found a better positioning, at first looking at the corner taker, and then immediately inside penalty area. AAR1 could have helped him.

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    2. Maybe the second AR was looking at the execution?

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    3. I'm sorry to disagree. The penalty area is definitely more important than the execution of the corner kick what is normally overviewed by the another AR.

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  11. Correct YC to Luis Suárez.

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  12. Wasm't there are an offside offence before the corner prior to the 3:0? Many deflections in the middle...

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    1. Agree Niclas. Offside for me. Wrong decision. And furthermore, very big error for Marciniak with wrong YC for Mandzukic and clear YC card forgotten for Barca player. Wrong card, wrong free kick accordance. Unexpected here. (63rd)

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    2. It could be level
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9KFLQGXUAAA9ZJ.jpg:large

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    3. 69 : handball appeal. I think good decision by Polish ref. First on body and after ball goes to hand. No penalty here for me.

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    4. @RayHD you are right, it could be level. Difficult to say, without further replays from good cameras. AR could be backed.

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    5. You saw replays in Swiss tv. For me, tigh offside. But difficult.

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    6. I don't mean this one - that is perfectly level for me.
      I mean the multiple deflections directly before the corner kick. In the middiel of the penalty area, the ball "flippered" between many players and then reached a Juve player at the left wing who was clearly offside. No replays shown, but if a Juve player was involved in these many deflections, it was punishable.

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    7. The ball is headed away by Barcelona player and the ball bounces back from Barcelona player's legs. Marciniak is looking directly at this. Excellent detection and ANTICIPATION!

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  13. 68' missed BAR penalty crucial mistake IMO.

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    1. There wasnt any penalty. First chest them arm, also close range so no penalty IMO.

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  14. Well, we have a very tricky handball to be assessed. At first chest, then arm. Arm raised, shot from short distance. In my opinion, penalty could have been given, but at the same time, difficult to assess the NO CALL as crucial mistake. One can still back the referee, if he thinks that it was not deliberate, after the rebound on the body.

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    1. Wow....difficult evening for polish crew. Now, wrong offside by AR2. 4-0 cancelled for phantom offside...guys, do you see Mandzukic's card ? What do you think ?

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  15. 66' - Khedira's foul whistled, but wasn't he held by defender? Penalty or free kick?
    69' - Chiellini's handball - the ball bounces from chest and hits an unnaturally positioned hand, shot is from short distance...
    71' - second YC to Mandzukic possible
    72' - wrong flag by AR2

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    1. yes, all these situatsions should have been judged differently. for me, that is a PK (69')

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    2. 69' is a deliberate / punishable handball for me. Too highly raised hand, unnatural position, significantly made himself bigger in a completely expected ball / shot on goal situation. This - IMO - outweighs the circumstance that the ball first hit the chest. I know it is an important criterion, but the others clearly overweigh here to my mind, specially because the hand was already too far up before the shot.

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    3. Eduardo Iturralde said "not every bounce annuls deliberate handball". It's more a penalty to me, too. In Poland it's 100% penalty. Nonetheless, I think he will be backed by UEFA Referee Observer / Referees Committee.

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    4. Surprisingly there were no protests by Barca players after the handball - must have been very difficult to detect in real time then ;)

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    5. To my mind it is very close but the tense arm makes it more penalty than not, but Marciniak will be backed I think it is no clear mistake.

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    6. To my mind it is very close but the tense arm makes it more penalty than not, but Marciniak will be backed I think it is no clear mistake.

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  16. A few minutes ago first clear mistake by AR2. In my opinion YC to Mandzukic was issued because Marciniak had the perception of reckless elbow by home-team player.

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    1. Ok. Same impression for me but...do you see reckless tackle from behind by his opponent? Weird decision in my taste.

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    2. The very unusual but maybe best solution would have been to book both, Mandzukic for the elbow and Roberto for the reckless tackle.

      I have not seen optimal replays, but the situation in 71' looked very reckless by Mandzukic to me...

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  17. Wrongly disallowed Juventus goal by AR2 in 72'... Poor decision that one!!

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  18. Great first half but big trouble in second...

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  19. Guys, are you agree : we can argue about potential Marciniak's errors but I have the feeling of strong charisma, magistral personality and very respect about players on his decisions. Impressive in this domain for me !

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  20. I think Marciniak won't be getting a CL semifinal after this... Enough big clashes for him this season but this was not his best performance... EL semifinal would be okay!!

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  21. Does anyone have video of the Mandžukić caution? Perhaps I got confused when I saw the incident, but it looked like he called the foul the wrong way and booked the wrong player.

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    1. Agree with our American colleague.

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  22. DutchRef, are you going to make videos?

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    1. Sorry, I just got home and saw your message. I recorded the match so I can make the videos based on your summary at the end of this post, but if you're already working on them I won't upload them.

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    2. If you are ok with doing so, I would be glad.

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    3. Of course, no problem! Should be easy for me with your detailed summary, thanks for that!

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  23. Flawless 1st half by Marciniak, but some problems in the 2nd half. At least 2 mistakes made.

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  24. The 2nd leg Barcelona v Juventus clash will definitely be a heated affair and will require a very experienced Elite referee with strong personality... I just feel that the Camp Nou encounter has Çüneyt Çakir's name written all over it!!

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    1. Cakir could be an option, but I somehow have the feeling that we may also see Clattenburg next week (as he already was given an EL match despite his departure).

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    2. If Clattenburg gets Barcelona v Juventus then I would expect Kuipers for Real Madrid v Bayern Munich, Kassai for Atlético Madrid v Leicester City and Mazic/ Çakir for Dortmund v Monaco!!

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  25. After seeing replays (also in slo-mo): the only CLEAR & IMPORTANT mistake is the offside call from AR2 in 72. The rest will most likely be backed by observer/committee.

    Marciniak:
    beginning - no clear reaction on Messi's dissent and mobbing (potential -0.1)
    28' - excellent disciplinary approach towards Alves' persistent infringing the LoTG (potential +0.1)
    34' - we are close to impeding the progress of an opponent including physical contact but whistling a penalty would be so unpopular... (=)
    whole first half - excellent reading of what is foul play, clear line (potential +0.1)

    47' - well assessed tackle of Juventus player - he attacked the ball with slide tackle, no tripping (=)
    54' - excellent anticipation and detection who played the ball prior to Juve's corner kick, great no offside call thanks to that (+0.1)
    62' - strange YC to Mandzukic, but replay is not the best; the referee could have seen the deliberate hand move to an opponent's head (=)
    64' - no reaction on Dybala's simulation, but no clear eye contact, so it's OK to ignore that (=)
    66' - holding in the box; free kick awarded to the defending team; again no good replay, we can't say what happened after the sequence that was shown (=)
    69' - handball in the box; pro penalty: expected shot, unnatural hand position, against penalty: shot from short distance, ball bounces from chest at first (=)
    71' - potential second YC to Mandzukic; Marciniak sees it as a collision and one can agree with him; Mandzukic wants to play the ball and try to kick it, there is no studs-up tackle as it seems at first glance, the subsequent contact with an opponent's head could be deemed as collision, so no need to show a second YC (=)
    74' - YC for simulation; there is clearly carted leg, but if you watch carefully, you will see the Juve player trails his leg in an unnatural way (=)

    Listkiewicz:
    21' - excellent onside (+0.1)
    30' - clear but important offside (+0.1)
    54' - at least acceptable (I would say very good) onside (possible +0.1)
    54' - excellent teamwork, Marciniak sees the crucial contact is made by defending player, no flag
    72' - wrong flag leading to denied obvious goal scoring opportunity/goal (7.9)

    Therefore, my marks would be:
    Marciniak 8.5
    Sokolnicki 8.4
    Listkiewicz 7.9 (8.6)

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    1. Great analysis - fully agreed!

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    2. I must say Italian press and many sites agree with this view. The only clear mistake reported is the wrong flag by AR2. In all the other situations, Marciniak can be backed. Khedira booked for simulation is perhaps harsh choice, but at the same time not a clear penalty, so it would be OK just to play on. Penalty appeal by Barça is a grey area: here, we can discuss for a long time. Game became difficult in second half, some small mistakes by Polish crew, but I think still an expected level performance. However, for me, more 8.4 than 8.5.

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    3. I got the info, Listkiewicz' mark most likely won't be 7.9. Just -0.3 or something like that. It means 8.6 - 0.3 = 8.3 or 8.7 - 0.3 = 8.4.

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    4. 8.4 level performance for me as well... I'm expecting him for an UEL semi-final now!! 🙂

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  26. And here the clips of the Juve-Barca refereeing highlights:

    https://vimeo.com/album/4529984

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  27. Penalty okay but evitable by Orsato at 15', do you think?

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    1. 0-1 was offside pretty clear missed by AR2 Manganelli (Napoli-Dnipro situation was very similar if you can remember to that)

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  28. Penalty in favor of Monaco whistled by Orsato: I think supportable call, but I wouldn't have given it. For me, too soft holding, it hadn't a significant effect on the opponent.

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    1. It's common trend nowadays to be very strict toward players who lost position/fight for the ball.

      Wrong no-flag from AR2 now directly leading to Monaco's goal... Crucial mistake.

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    2. Agree chefren. Not enough for penalty but little foul with hand on the other hand. Now, big mistake by Manganelli with clear offside goal...what an error !

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    3. Now goal kick instead of very clear, cristal corner...in front of AAR2 and again Manganelli...how it's possible to miss that ?

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    4. To those that are saying "too soft". Can any of you show me in The Laws of the Game where it talks about soft fouls and hard fouls which should or shouldn't result in a penalty kick.
      A foul is a foul period. Of you get beat inside the penalty area and you put both of your hands on the attacker and grab him. That's a foul and a penalty gentlemen. It's that simple. My only complaint is that more referees aren't brave enough to make those calls more often.

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    5. @Nando
      I think there is some arrogance in your view, refereeing is not so materialistic as maybe you'd wish. I do agree referees are lacking courage compared to the last years. But if you think that referees like Al-Ghamdi were belonging to the best in the world well...

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    6. Nando's comment is spot on. Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't make it wrong or to use your words "arrogant". So I fail to see how you made the connection between Nando's comment and Al-Ghamdi.
      Lastly, I agree with Orsato and with Nando. The call was a brave call. Is it possibly an unpopular call? Sure. But just because something is unpopular doesn't make it wrong. Especially when The Law's of the Game back you up.

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    7. Agreed Nando you do have a point but comments like "That's a foul gentleman, it's that simple" aren't really the most pleasant in a friendly debate. It is for sure no crucial mistake but I think no whistle is okay, definitely a brave decision but then the non YC for Sokratis is the total opposite and that is a clear mistake imo

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    8. Mikael, to be honest with you. As it happened live, I thought that the Monaco player dived. And even after seeing the replay, I am still on the side that it was more of a dive than a foul by Sokratis.
      But Orsato did however whistle for a foul and as such should have cautioned Sokratis and sent him off.

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  29. DutchRef, I am going to make clips from BOR-MON and ATL-LEI. Is it OK for you?

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    1. Yes, that's suits just fine 👍🏻

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  30. Great counterattack and play by Monaco. Unfortunately it's a clear offside missed by the AR. Yes I said "clear". It's not a tricky, tough, or difficult offside to see. It's an offside call that any well positioned AR should make.

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    1. Agree Nandi. Unfortunately. As the same for corner kick few moments after.

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    2. Phantom hand whistled against Falcao now....clearly not convinced by Ordato and co. Weird performance in an easy match by the way...

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    3. Maybe the circumstances haven't helped the referee team, I think you have to empathise with them on a human level. But purely looking at performance it hasn't been so good I agree so far.

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    4. Agree Mikael. Difficult to assess performance after such circumstances but technically, performance isn't good for this level.

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  31. Offside missed by Manganelli is a significant mistake, but indeed he wasn't able to follow properly the action.

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  32. Really weird situation at 0-2 (own) goal. Was there a foul on defender?

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    1. Hello Ray. I have some doubts as you have. Perhaps foul on defender's foot, but no clear replay to see that. Doubtful.

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    2. Ok you see good screens now. Foul on defender's foot. Enough for a foul ? What do you think ? Does contact significantly change Dortmund player behavior on ball ? Difficult situation for Italian crew...

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    3. I would accept both calls, to be fair.

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    4. Agree. Very difficult. But I think that VAR would have cancelled the goal. Your thought ?

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    5. Taking into account VAR may change only CLEAR mistakes, I am not so sure.

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  33. Very weird game, I must say. I didn't expect such troubles in first half by Italian crew...

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    1. What do you think about 0-2 chefren ? Foul or not ?

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    2. I need to watch better replays! I will answer soon :)

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    3. Surely, live it looks more than difficult to detect.

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  34. I am a bit torn on the second goal. While there may have been a foul (haven't seen a replay where is clear) I don't know how much it actually affected what the Dortmund player ended up doing. Unfortunately that AAR hasn't had the best game so far. So I am not surprised by his non action and input on the play.

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  35. Good start to the 2nd half by Orsato. Correctly spotted the foul and issued the mandatory caution for the type of foul committed.

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  36. Very good onside from Manganelli at 1-2. Well done!

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  37. Much on the way in which mistakes are pointed out. When a referee gets it right, it must also be noted. With that said. Excellent onside decision by the AR on Dortmund's goal.

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  38. Again this stupid trend to avoid second YC is present in UEFA game. It's really poor.

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    1. Agree Ray. On other hand, very harsh cards against Dirar and Fabinho. For the last one, don't know if there is even a contact... not convinced by Ordato cards management. It seems very harsh with Monaco and lenient with Borussia. Perhaps consequence of offside goal on first half...

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    2. Sorry guys. Weak performance. YC for nothing for Subasic. You can't be so severe for one team and not for the other. That's quite obvious since half time....

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    3. For time-wasting. Fully correct, in my eyes.

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    4. Understand me Ray. Fully correct in a strict way I confirm. But this way was only against Monaco after half time. Second yellow card for Dortmund's player wasn't fully necessary too ? More than YC against Dirar for the same foul not given to Mbappe just before. Don't speak about one decision but about philosophy of management. Clearly not the same for both team. 5 cards for 9 fouls. 2 cards for 8...If you are lenient with one, you have to be equal for others. Furthermore, lot of bad decisions (corners/ goal kick for example) and crucial mistake on 0-1. And I add in my taste, some movements issues for Italian ref with 4/5 situations of interfering with players. So for me, in terms of team, not a good performance for Ordato and his team. So-so one. But it's just my thought.

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    5. I fully enjoyed and liked Orsato's approach, management, and style in the second half. They cautions he issued followed a pattern. So he want all over the place in regards to cards like many other Referee's.
      1) The no card to Sokratis may need the only "stain". However to be quite honest, watching it live. I thought it was a dive by the Monaco player. And after watching the replay, I still feel that it was a dive. But Orsato did whistle for a foul, so he should have cautioned Sokratis to stay with his pattern.
      2) The card to the Monaco keeper fully deserved and completely supported by The Law's of the Game. It's not a popular card, but it's a card that at times is indeed needed to prevent clear and blatant time wasting.

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  39. Orsato was substandard at best tonight... The 2nd leg will need someone like Mazic or Kassai!!!

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    1. I don't agree. It was an expected-level performance without that missed 2nd YC. But it's UEFA trend, not Orsato's whim.

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    2. I agree with you Ray. Orsato himself was good, not great, but good. Other than the possible missed second caution and thus ejection, or was a solid performance. Keep in mind that the possible mistakes were committed by his AR's and AAR's.
      But I will not blame Orsato directly for not issuing a second caution. As Ray stated, it's in line with UEFA's pointless and worthless tend. So if you technically handcuff your Referee's with directives, don't be surprised by the outcomes.

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    3. I just feel that his level of performance in Leicester City v Sevilla was better!! I felt that his today's performance could've been better but it's entirely my personal point of view!! 🙂

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    4. I am with Ray and Castrilli. I personally enjoyed Orsato's performance, especially in the 2nd. Dortmund fully came out to play in the half while Monaco pretty much stopped playing. Instead Monaco resorted to continuously fouling to try and contain Dortmund. Orsato protected the team who wanted to play football and punished the team who wanted to disorder and dirty the game. His questionable moment came on Sokratis' foul. But I will not put that on Orsato. It's nearly impossible to send of a player for a second cautionable offence while still staying within the directives and trends put out and used by UEFA.

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  40. Dortmund - Monaco (D. Orsato - ITA)

    https://streamable.com/album/e0mj0

    or

    https://streamable.com/e0mj0


    = = = = =


    Well, you issue these two yellow cards for SPA:
    https://streamable.com/41rtn
    https://streamable.com/325ll

    And then you decide to not book (2nd YC) player for this:
    https://streamable.com/3cvy1

    Is it really for good of the game?

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    1. Good to see you share my points of view ;)

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    2. About the possible second YC, in addition to SPA, if you consider this a foul, it must be assessed surely as reckless tackle. So I agree, once whistled, mandatory second YC, but mistake at the origin because it was simulation.

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    3. Agree Chefren. So double mistake ^^ ! If you choiced to whistle, you had to book...no choice ! Just consistant behaviour way of management.

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